From an other to the Other 67

From an other to the Other
从他者到大他者

Jacques Lacan
雅克 拉康

5.2.69

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What I am pointing out here is the fragile character of this sort of writing, inasmuch as by following games’ theory, the conjunctures can only be determined from the
intersection of the play of two adversaries. Namely, that the subject ought to be in
this position, while the enigmatic Other, the one involved in short as to whether he
holds the wager or not, ought to find himself in that place, God exists or does not
exist.

我在此正在指出的东西是这种书写的脆弱的特性,因为凭借以下的游戏理论,这些连接仅能够从这两个敌对者的游戏的交会来决定。换句话说,主体应该处于这个位置。当这个谜团的大他者,总之被牵涉在内的这个大他者,关于他是否拥有这个赌注,这个谜团的大他者应该发现他自己在那个位置。上帝存在或不存在。
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But God is not involved. In any case, nothing allows us to affirm it. It is from this
fact that it paradoxically results that face to face with him, on the table, as I might say,
there is not man but the subject defined by this wager. The stake is confused with the
existence of the partner, and that is why the signs written on this table have to be
reinterpreted. The choice is made at the level of God exists or God does not exist.

但是上帝并没有被牵涉在内。无论如何,没有任何东西让我们能够肯定它。根据这个事实,它悖论的结果是,跟上帝面对面时,在这个表格上,我不妨说,没有任何人,除了就是被这个赌注定义的主体。这个赌注跟伴侣的存在混淆一块。那就是为什么被书写在这个表格上的讯号必须重新解释。选择被做成,在上帝存在或上帝不存在的层次。

The formulation of the wager starts from that. And starting from there, only from
there, it is clear that if there is no reason to hesitate, namely, that what you may win
by wagering that God exists is not comparable to what you can certainly win, even
though this certainty can easily be questioned. Because what will you win? o is
precisely not defined.

赌注的铨释从那里开始。从那里开始,仅是从那里,显而易见帝,假如没有任何犹豫的理由。换句话说,你们可能会赢的东西,凭借赌注上帝存在,可以类比成为你们确实会应的东西。即使这个确实很容易被质疑。因为你们将赢得什么?0确实没有被定义。

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5.2.69
It is here that I open the question – not at the level of a formula that has nevertheless
the interest of taking at its source the question of the intervention of the signifier, of
what is involved in any act of choice whatsoever. This is where I pointed out the
inadequacy of a table that is incomplete because it does not highlight that in taking
things at the second stage, the one, perhaps, that restores the correct position of what
the matrix involves as it is used in games’ theory, is where there should be placed
what I distinguish from the subject, the subject that is purely identical to the
inscription of the stakes as well as the one that can envisage the case where even if
God exists, he wagers against, namely, chooses o to his cost.

就在这里,我展开这个问题—不是在公式的层次。这个公式仍然拥有这个興趣,接受能指的介入的问题,在它的起源。在任何选择的行动里,被牵涉到东西的问题。这就是我指出表格的不足够的地方,在第二个阶段。或许,这个阶段恢复这个基座牵涉的东西的这个正确的位置,依照它在游戏理论被使用的方式。我从主体区别出来的东西,应该被放在哪里,以及这个能够构想这个情况的主体。在那个情况,即使上帝存在,他下赌注反对,换句话说,他选择0,作为他的代价。

Namely, knowing what
this choice involves, that he positively loses the infinite, the infinity of happy lives
that is offered him, so that there is reproduced in the two boxes that are marked here
what first of all occupied the first matrix, there still remains this fourth to be filled.
Namely, that it can be supposed that, even if God does not exist, the o as holding the
(122) place that you see it occupying in the first box can be abandoned, this time in an
explicit way. And because of this fact it appears in the negative, the subtraction of o
with what we are writing here without any further commentary.

换句话说,当他知道这个选择牵涉的东西,他肯定会丧失这个无限性,被提供给他的这些快乐生活的无限性。所以,在这两个空格里被复制,这两个盒子首先被标记占有第一个基座的东西,依旧还存在着应该被填补的这个第四个空格。换句话说,我们能够假设,即使上帝不存在,这个0,作为拥有这个位置,你们看见它占据,在第一个空格,这个0能够被放弃。这一次,用明确的方式。因为这个事实,它出现在负面,0的扣除,用我们在此正在书写的东西,没有任何进一步的评论。

And you see that
even though it appears to be self-evident as zero, in effect it still constitutes a problem
ao 9 , – o °
– 0, 0,

你们看见,即使它作为零似乎是不证自明,实际上,它依旧形成一个难题。

In effect, let us now extract in order to isolate it simply in a new matrix something
added on by our second composition, namely, 0,-oQ, – o, zero. To be honest, I
explicitly mark what I have just indicated in passing in this very discourse, that this
zero takes on the value of a question.

实际上,让我们现在抽离出某件东西,为了在新的基座里孤立它,我们第二次组成增加东西,换句话说,0,-00,-0,零。坦诚说,我明确地标记我刚刚顺便指示的东西,在这个辞说里。这个零形成一个问题的价值。
O — cx->
– Q 3*oo ?
In effect, if the zeros were able to be thus posited in the first matrix, this is something
that deserves to hold our attention, because what did I say earlier if not that in truth
the only thing that counts in this position of the gambler, of the subject who alone
exists, the only thing to be taken into account is the infinite and the finite o.

实际上,假如这些零能够被假设在第一个基座,这是某件东西应该值得我们注意。因为我早先所说的东西,难道不就是,实际上,在赌徒的立场,关于主体的唯一重要的东西,仅是这个主体存在,唯一能够被考虑的东西,就是这个无限与有限的0。

What do
these zeros designate if not that by putting some stake on the table, as Pascal
underlined in introducing the theory of gaming, nothing correct can be stated about a
game unless you start from this, unless by having a beginning and an end fixed in the
rule.

这些零指明的东西,难道不就是,凭借将一些赌注放进这个表格,如同巴斯卡强调的,当他介绍游戏理论,没有任何正确的东西能够被陈述,关于一个游戏。除非你从这个开始,除非凭借拥有一个开始与结束被固定在规则里。

What is put on the table, what is called the bet, is lost from the start. The game
only exists starting from the fact that it is on the table, as one might say, in a common
mass. What the game is is implied and therefore from its constitution the game can
here only produce zero. This zero only indicates that you are playing; without this
zero, there is no game.

被放置在表格里的东西,所谓的赌注,从一开始就输掉。这个游戏仅是根据这个事实才存在:赌注在表格里。我们不妨说,赌注处于共同的集体里。游戏的本质的东西被暗示,因此从游戏的形成,游戏在此仅能产生零。这个零仅指示,你们正在赌博。没有这个零,就没有这个游戏。

Assuredly you could say the same thing about the other zero,
namely, this one, that it represents the loss to which the other player resigns himself
by bringing this infinity into play. But since precisely what is at stake is the existence
of the other player, it is here, in the first matrix, that the zero qua sign of the loss
becomes problematic.

的确,你们能够说相同的事情,关于这另外一个零。换句话说,这个零,它代表这个输掉。另外一位赌徒甘心接受的输掉,凭借运作这个无限。但是确实地,所以下赌注的东西,就是这另外一位赌徒的存在。就在这里,在第一个基座,这个零,作为是输掉的讯号,变成是问题重重。

雄伯译
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